References to the necessity of God’s Word/God
as a foundation from Ken Ham during the Ham v. Nye debate. Time references are from the
beginning of the moderator speaking. This list has been prepared in support of
Roasting Ham, and article published on the Gospel Spam blog site.
1.
Opening Remarks (7:10): “Here at the Creation
Museum we make no apology about the fact to our origins or historical science
actually is based upon the biblical account of origins.” [This was followed by
a description of the imposition of secular humanism on students in public
schools.]
2.
Opening Remarks (8:15): “But you see, the Bible
gives a totally different account of origins, of who we were, where we came
from, the meaning of life, and our future: “From the beginning of the creation,
God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father
and mother and be joined to his wife.’” (Mark 10:6–7, NKJV); Through one man
sin entered the world, and death through sin. (Romans 5:12, NKJV); For God so
loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in
Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, NKJV). So, is
creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era? I say: The
creation/evolution debate is really a conflict between two philosophical
worldviews based on two different accounts of origins or historical science
beliefs. Creation is the only viable model of historical science confirmed by
observational science in today’s modern scientific era.” [In saying “creation,”
he has already established this as a biblically-founded idea, not a scientific
one.]
3.
30-minute Presentation (18:00): “Non-Christian
scientists are really borrowing from the Christian worldview anyway to carry
out their experimental or observational science. Think about it. When they’re
doing observational science using the scientific method they have to assume the
laws of logic, they have to assume the laws of nature, they have to assume the
uniformity of nature. I mean think about it. If the universe came about by
natural process where did the laws of logic come from? Did they just pop into
existence? Are we in a stage now where we have only half logic? So you see I
have a question for Bill Nye: How do you account for the laws of logic and laws
of nature from a naturalistic worldview that excludes the existence of God?”
4. 30-minute
Presentation (22:50): “You know why that is? Because it’s really a battle
over worldviews and starting points. It’s a battle over philosophical
worldviews and starting points, but the same evidence. Now I admit my starting
point is that God is the ultimate authority. If someone doesn't accept that,
then man has to be the ultimate authority. And that's really the difference
when it comes down to it.”
5.
30-minute Presentation (23:32): “There’s a big
difference between those two, and that's not what's being taught in our public
schools and that's why kids aren't being taught to think critically and
correctly about the origins issue.” [Ken then went on to describe the
predictions based on the Bible and the confirming evidence.]
6.
30-minute Presentation (30:10): “Actually, it’s
the public school textbooks that are teaching a belief, imposing it on students
and they need to be teaching them observational science to understand the
reality of what's happening. Now, what we found is that: Public school
textbooks present the evolutionary “tree” as “science,” but reject the creation
“orchard” as religion. But observational science confirms the creation orchard
– so public school textbooks are rejecting observational science and imposing a
naturalistic religion on students.” [This was in reference to the evolutionary
tree of life which runs counter to observations. This is another example of the
A/DA strategy and Ken calls them to stop teaching falsehoods as truth.]
7.
30-minute Presentation (33:45): “Can you imagine
if in it was in the public schools today? And yet that’s what was taught, but
it was based on Darwin's ideas that are wrong. You have a wrong foundation; you
are going to have a wrong worldview. Now, had they started from the Bible and
from the creation account in the Bible, what does it teach? We're all
descendants of Adam and Eve, we go through the Tower of Babel, different
languages so different people groups formed distinct characteristics, but we’d
expect, we’d say, ‘You know what? That
means there’s biologically only one race of humans.’”
8.
30-minute Presentation (35:00): “And you know
what? The secularists don't like me doing this because they don't want to admit
that there’s a belief aspect to what they’re saying, and there is, and they
can't get away from it.”
9.
30-minute Presentation (37:20): “And I challenge
the evolutionists to admit the belief aspects of their particular worldview.
Now, at the Creation Museum we’re only too willing to admit our beliefs based
upon the Bible, but we also teach people the difference between beliefs and
what one can actually observe and experiment with in the present. I believe
we're teaching people to think critically and to think in the right terms about
science. I believe it’s the creationists that should be educating the kids out
there because we're teaching them the right way to think. You know, we admit
our origins in historical science is based upon the Bible, but I'm just
challenging evolutionists to admit the belief aspects of evolution and be
upfront about the difference here. As I said, I'm only too willing to admit my
historical science based on the Bible.
10.
30-minute Presentation (42:30): “I assert this: Public
school textbooks are using the same word science for observational and
historical science. They arbitrarily define science as naturalism and outlaw the
supernatural. They present molecules-to-man evolution as fact. They are
imposing the religion of naturalism/atheism on generations of students. They
are imposing their ideology on the students, that everything is explained by
natural processes. That is a religion. What does she mean by religious liberty?
They tolerate their religion. You see the battle is really about authority.
It’s more than just science or evolution or creation. It’s about who is the
authority in this world, man or God?”
11.
30-minute Presentation (37:20): “If you start
with naturalism then what about morals? Who decides right and wrong? Well, it’s
subjective. Marriage? Well, whatever you want it to be. Get rid of old people,
I mean why not. I mean, they’re just animals, they’re costing us a lot of
money. Abortion? Get the rid of spare cats, get rid of spare kids. We’re all
animals. But if you start from God’s Word there are moral absolutes. God
decides right from wrong. Marriage: One man and one women. The sanctity of
life: We care for old people; they’re made in the image of God. Life begins at
fertilization: So abortion is killing a human being. We do see the collapse of
Christian morality in our culture and increasing moral relativism because
generations of kids are being taught the religion of naturalism and that the
Bible can't be trusted.
12.
First Rebuttal (1:16:45): “Now just to
understand, just so you understand where I'm coming from, yes, we admit we
build our origins from historical science on the Bible. The Bible says God
created in six days.”
13.
First Rebuttal (1:20:30): “And I claim there's
only one infallible dating method, it's the Witness who was there, who knows
everything, who told us, and that's from the Word of God. And that's why I
would say that the earth is only 6,000 years …”
14.
Second Rebuttal (1:36:30): ” As I talked about,
you know, I said we have the laws of logic, the uniformity of nature and that
only makes sense within a biblical worldview anyway, of a creator God who set
up those laws. And that's why we can do good experimental science because we
assume those laws are true and that will be true tomorrow.”
15.
Q&A (1:43:00): “Bill, I just want to let you
know that there actually is a book out there that actually tells us where
matter came from. And the very first sentence in that book says, “In the
beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” And really that’s the only
thing that makes sense; it’s the only thing that makes sense of why not just
matter is here and where it came from, but why matter – when you look at it, we
have information and language systems that build life, not just matter. And
where did that come from, because matter can never produce information? Matter
can never produce a language system. Languages only come from an intelligence;
information only comes from information. The Bible tells us that the things we
see, like in the Book of Hebrews, are made from things that are unseen, an
infinite creator God who created the universe, created matter, the energy,
space-mass-time universe, and created the information for life. It’s the only
thing that makes logical sense.”
16.
Q&A (1:49:30): “Bill, I do want to say that
there is a book out there that does document where consciousness came from. And
in that book, the One who created us said that He made man in His image, and He
breathed into man and he became a living being. And so the Bible does document
that; that’s where consciousness came from, that God gave it to us.”
17.
Q&A (1:50:00): “And you know, the other
thing I want to say is, I’m sort of a little – I have a mystery, and that is,
you talk about the joy of discovery. But you also say that when you die, it’s
over, and that’s the end of you. And if when you die it’s over and you don’t
even remember you were here, what’s the point of the joy of discovery anyway, I
mean in an ultimate sense? I mean, you know, you won’t ever know you were ever
here, and no one who knew you will know they were ever here ultimately, so
what’s the point anyway? I love the joy of discovery because this is God’s
creation and I’m finding more out about that to take dominion for man’s good
and for God’s glory.”
18.
Q&A (2:03:30): “God imposed information, a
language system, and that’s how we have life. Matter by itself could never
product life no matter what energy you have.”
19.
Q&A (2:10:00): And let me just say this—my
answer would be God is necessary for science. In fact, you know, you talked
about cell phones; yes, I have a cell phone. I love technology, we love
technology here at Answers in Genesis. And I have e-mail; probably had millions
of them while I have been speaking up here. And satellites and what you said
about the information we get, I agree with all that. See, they’re the things
that can be done in the present. And that’s just like I showed you. Dr. Stuart
Burgess, who invented that gear set for the satellite; creationists can be
great scientists. But see, I say God is necessary because you have to assume
the laws of logic, you have to assume the laws of nature, you have to assume
the uniformity of nature. And there’s a question I had for you. Where does that
come from if the universe is here by natural processes? You know, Christianity
and science, the Bible and science, go hand in hand; we love science! But
again, you’ve got to understand, inventing things, that’s very different than
talking about our origins, two very different things.
20.
Q&A (2:18:30): “Any scientist out there,
Christian or non-Christian, that is involved in inventing things, involved in
scientific method, is using creation. They are, because they are borrowing from
a Christian worldview. They’re using the laws of logic; I keep emphasizing
that. I want Bill to tell me in a view of the universe that’s a result of
natural processes, explain where the laws of logic came from. Why should we
trust the laws of nature? I mean, are they going to be the same tomorrow as
they were yesterday? In fact, some of the greatest scientists that ever lived –
Isaac Newton, James Clerk Maxell, Michael Faraday – were creationists. And as
one of them said, you know, he’s thinking God’s thoughts after Him. And that’s
really – modern science really came out of that thinking, that we can do
experiments today and we can do the same tomorrow, we can trust the laws of
logic, we can trust the laws of nature. And if we don’t teach our children
correctly about this, they’re not going to be innovative and they’re not going
to be able to come up with inventions to advance in our culture. And so I think
the person was trying to get out that, see, there are lots of secularists out
there doing work and they don’t believe in creation and they come up with great
inventions. Yes, but my point is they are borrowing from the Christian
worldview to do so.”
21.
Q&A (2:24:30): “What is the one thing upon
anything else which I base my belief? Well, again, to summarize the things that
I’ve been saying, there is a book called the Bible. It’s a very unique book,
it’s very different to any other book out there. In fact, I don’t know of any
other religion that has a book that starts off by telling you that there’s an
infinite God and talks about the origin of the universe and the origin of
matter and the origin of light and the origin of darkness and the origin of day
and night and the origin of the earth and the origin of dry land and the origin
of plants and the origin of the sun, moon and stars, the origin of sea
creatures, the origin of flying creatures, the origin of land creatures, the
origin of man, the origin of woman, the origin of death, the origin of sin, the
origin of marriage, the origin of different languages, the origin of clothing,
the origin of nations. I mean, it’s a very, very specific book, and it gives us
an account of a global Flood and the history and the Tower of Babel. And if
that history is true, then what about the rest of the book? Well, that history
also says man is a sinner and it says that man is separated from God. And it
gives us a message that we call the gospel, the message of salvation, that
God’s Son stepped into history to die on a cross, be raised from the dead and
offers a free gift of salvation. Because the history is true, that’s why the
message based in history is true.”
